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		<title>By: 2008 in a Nutshell &#124; Sassy Women</title>
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		<dc:creator>2008 in a Nutshell &#124; Sassy Women</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The SASSY Lady and Poverty Blog Action Day Post, and SASSY Self Care are among my favorite posts. Domestic Violence &amp; Tyler Perry and CNN&#8217;s Black in America have certainly gotten the conversation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The SASSY Lady and Poverty Blog Action Day Post, and SASSY Self Care are among my favorite posts. Domestic Violence &amp; Tyler Perry and CNN&#8217;s Black in America have certainly gotten the conversation [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Britt</title>
		<link>http://sassywomenonline.com/blog/2008/09/23/speak-on-it-domestic-violence-tyler-perry/comment-page-1/#comment-1593</link>
		<dc:creator>Britt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion, in and of itself, justifies TP&#039;s portrayal of domestic violence in the movie.  When I saw it people cheered too, but I simply reminded myself that this wasn&#039;t the first time that I disagreed with someone&#039;s very public reaction to what seemed totally wrong/inappropriate to me.  TP&#039;s movies are a great base for family/friend discussions that wouldn&#039;t otherwise take place.  It&#039;s important that every family pick apart the issue of domestic violence in the attempt to end it.  Keep talking folks!!!  This is a topic to take home!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion, in and of itself, justifies TP&#8217;s portrayal of domestic violence in the movie.  When I saw it people cheered too, but I simply reminded myself that this wasn&#8217;t the first time that I disagreed with someone&#8217;s very public reaction to what seemed totally wrong/inappropriate to me.  TP&#8217;s movies are a great base for family/friend discussions that wouldn&#8217;t otherwise take place.  It&#8217;s important that every family pick apart the issue of domestic violence in the attempt to end it.  Keep talking folks!!!  This is a topic to take home!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea I feel u bari..all n all im over the tyler perry thing too..this was a great subject eva, keep up the good work..i think the one thing we all agree on is that dialogue on these type of subjects are needed...

Peace Ladies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea I feel u bari..all n all im over the tyler perry thing too..this was a great subject eva, keep up the good work..i think the one thing we all agree on is that dialogue on these type of subjects are needed&#8230;</p>
<p>Peace Ladies</p>
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		<title>By: Lady D</title>
		<link>http://sassywomenonline.com/blog/2008/09/23/speak-on-it-domestic-violence-tyler-perry/comment-page-1/#comment-1559</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel you on that last point Bari. I supported Tyler Perry&#039;s story and the fact that he brought something a little different to the table. But he has brought that same something different time and time again, and I would like to see him try something new because I was less than satisfied with The Family That Preys, and I was sooo disappointed with Meet the Browns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel you on that last point Bari. I supported Tyler Perry&#8217;s story and the fact that he brought something a little different to the table. But he has brought that same something different time and time again, and I would like to see him try something new because I was less than satisfied with The Family That Preys, and I was sooo disappointed with Meet the Browns.</p>
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		<title>By: Bari</title>
		<link>http://sassywomenonline.com/blog/2008/09/23/speak-on-it-domestic-violence-tyler-perry/comment-page-1/#comment-1552</link>
		<dc:creator>Bari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred- I actually agree with you on some points.  However, I will ALWAYS disagree with rationalization.

I firmly believe the Cosby show is a gold standard, but it did our late Gen Xers and Yers/Millennials a disservice.  That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.  People are going into relationships with unrealistic expectations.

And you&#039;re right...I shouldn&#039;t judge your mindset.  I just find Tyler Perry movies simple as hell.  He dresses up the same characters in the same &quot;clothes&quot; (traits), and just changes the names.  Professional, white-collar educated characters are always &quot;bad&quot; or need to be taught a lesson by the blue-collar, hard-working church going character.  There&#039;s a choir scene with a big woman in a purple robe, and all is redeemed and right with the world.  I&#039;m over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred- I actually agree with you on some points.  However, I will ALWAYS disagree with rationalization.</p>
<p>I firmly believe the Cosby show is a gold standard, but it did our late Gen Xers and Yers/Millennials a disservice.  That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.  People are going into relationships with unrealistic expectations.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right&#8230;I shouldn&#8217;t judge your mindset.  I just find Tyler Perry movies simple as hell.  He dresses up the same characters in the same &#8220;clothes&#8221; (traits), and just changes the names.  Professional, white-collar educated characters are always &#8220;bad&#8221; or need to be taught a lesson by the blue-collar, hard-working church going character.  There&#8217;s a choir scene with a big woman in a purple robe, and all is redeemed and right with the world.  I&#8217;m over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>go see the movie leah...better yet watch it here. http://www.tvokay.com/redir4.php?l=aHR0cDovL215bW92aWVzLndzL1ZpZXdWaWRlby5waHA/dGlkPTImcGlkPTE3MTQmaWQ9NjQ0NyM=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>go see the movie leah&#8230;better yet watch it here. <a href="http://www.tvokay.com/redir4.php?l=aHR0cDovL215bW92aWVzLndzL1ZpZXdWaWRlby5waHA/dGlkPTImcGlkPTE3MTQmaWQ9NjQ0NyM" rel="nofollow">http://www.tvokay.com/redir4.php?l=aHR0cDovL215bW92aWVzLndzL1ZpZXdWaWRlby5waHA/dGlkPTImcGlkPTE3MTQmaWQ9NjQ0NyM</a>=</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 01:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I didn&#039;t see the movie... but judging from the comments...:

She was the breadwinner
He was a good man
She had an affair with a white man and got pregnant 
Hubby finds out, gets mad, takes money from their account, confronts wifey, and then beats her up?

Um *pause* rewind

he beat up a woman?  and folks are applauding that?  whoa... scary scary scary... 

Wouldn&#039;t it have been just as effective to have a scene where he confronts her, sues her in court, wins, and then walks out the door?  

I&#039;m just shocked at the yay-ra-ra nature of domestic violence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I didn&#8217;t see the movie&#8230; but judging from the comments&#8230;:</p>
<p>She was the breadwinner<br />
He was a good man<br />
She had an affair with a white man and got pregnant<br />
Hubby finds out, gets mad, takes money from their account, confronts wifey, and then beats her up?</p>
<p>Um *pause* rewind</p>
<p>he beat up a woman?  and folks are applauding that?  whoa&#8230; scary scary scary&#8230; </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it have been just as effective to have a scene where he confronts her, sues her in court, wins, and then walks out the door?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just shocked at the yay-ra-ra nature of domestic violence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eva: What I meant by &quot;toe to toe...&quot; is that some women esp. sistas like to talk to men like they can beat them up...u know loud talking, name calling, putting them &quot;in their place&quot;...and while i dont condone anyone putting their hands on anyone u cant just go around speaking ur mind to whomever u please...im a disabled man, now while i speak up when needed i don&#039;t go just out loud talking people hoping that they were taught hitting is wrong...I feel that a lot of violence (domestic included) could be avoided if we chose our opponents accordingly...and some people just haven&#039;t figured that out. 


Bari: Im hoping your a man since you know what &quot;real men&quot; do...comments like that are what i mean about knowing ones place...i can have an opinion on what i believe a woman should and shouldnt do but could never begin to tell you or anyone what a &quot;real woman&quot; does, as i am not a woman...be clear my response is not a rationalization ...i used the situation that TFTP gave  and then gave my opinion...

1. If all u saw was him taking her money then ...wow...one wrong does not justify another so im sure one doesnt justify 20...UMM and lets not forget they both were looking for work at their wedding reception...had he not spoke to white boy neither of them would have had a job...and the only reason she got in the corp office is becuase white boy wanted to hit...and ur right she should have left pre- disrespect, cheating, and having another mans BABY!

2.His bad?! ...wow.

3.Sounds like you need to watch a few cosby reruns...claire as well as cliff shared the responsibility of their family.. he cooked sometimes, spent time with his kids, and even when claire became a partner at her firm he took his practice back home...hmmm.... sounds like a lil give and take ....take note sista....sounds like u took the same course in rationalization...lol

4.I never said that i goto Tyler perry movies for enlightenment ...but you can extract a lesson from anything...btw noone is the sum of one comment so to assume my mindset on women or any other subject speaks more on your mindset than it would ever speak of mine.




4.

2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eva: What I meant by &#8220;toe to toe&#8230;&#8221; is that some women esp. sistas like to talk to men like they can beat them up&#8230;u know loud talking, name calling, putting them &#8220;in their place&#8221;&#8230;and while i dont condone anyone putting their hands on anyone u cant just go around speaking ur mind to whomever u please&#8230;im a disabled man, now while i speak up when needed i don&#8217;t go just out loud talking people hoping that they were taught hitting is wrong&#8230;I feel that a lot of violence (domestic included) could be avoided if we chose our opponents accordingly&#8230;and some people just haven&#8217;t figured that out. </p>
<p>Bari: Im hoping your a man since you know what &#8220;real men&#8221; do&#8230;comments like that are what i mean about knowing ones place&#8230;i can have an opinion on what i believe a woman should and shouldnt do but could never begin to tell you or anyone what a &#8220;real woman&#8221; does, as i am not a woman&#8230;be clear my response is not a rationalization &#8230;i used the situation that TFTP gave  and then gave my opinion&#8230;</p>
<p>1. If all u saw was him taking her money then &#8230;wow&#8230;one wrong does not justify another so im sure one doesnt justify 20&#8230;UMM and lets not forget they both were looking for work at their wedding reception&#8230;had he not spoke to white boy neither of them would have had a job&#8230;and the only reason she got in the corp office is becuase white boy wanted to hit&#8230;and ur right she should have left pre- disrespect, cheating, and having another mans BABY!</p>
<p>2.His bad?! &#8230;wow.</p>
<p>3.Sounds like you need to watch a few cosby reruns&#8230;claire as well as cliff shared the responsibility of their family.. he cooked sometimes, spent time with his kids, and even when claire became a partner at her firm he took his practice back home&#8230;hmmm&#8230;. sounds like a lil give and take &#8230;.take note sista&#8230;.sounds like u took the same course in rationalization&#8230;lol</p>
<p>4.I never said that i goto Tyler perry movies for enlightenment &#8230;but you can extract a lesson from anything&#8230;btw noone is the sum of one comment so to assume my mindset on women or any other subject speaks more on your mindset than it would ever speak of mine.</p>
<p>4.</p>
<p>2.</p>
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		<title>By: Bari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;STOP GOING TOE TO TOE WITH MEN AS A MAN WOULD, RESPECT AND LOVE YOUR MEN AND THEY WILL IN RETURN…let me raise a child as my own for several years then find out its some white guys kid!…shit I found the ONE slap admirable…sorry if I sound chauvinistic ladies.&quot;  - Fred

Ummm...several things.

1. I&#039;ll go &quot;toe to toe&quot; with anyone, particularly anyone I don&#039;t have respect for.  It was clear she did not respect that man- to that end, she should&#039;ve just left.  

Before we forget, while that man was a nice hardworking man, all he had were HER dollars and a dream.  He stole from her, from an account he didn&#039;t know about or have access to.  If he wanted to be &quot;the man,&quot; then he should have acted like one.

2. There is always a &quot;driver&quot; and a &quot;passenger&quot; in EVERY relationship. The person who loves less is the driver, and is in control of the pace of the relationship and what happens, and when it happens.  Not only did your girl love less in that movie, but she was the breadwinner.  She was the driver in that situation all day long...and he tolerated it.  His bad.  Deal with it or walk away, but don&#039;t deliver backhands on your way out of the door.

3. That &quot;don&#039;t go toe to toe&quot; and &quot;respect your man&quot; business sounds like you want a docile creature.  Let me help you with something...the Cosby show is the exception, not the rule.  That show has men thinking you will find a woman who pulls down 6 figures in a high paying job, have 5 of your kids, have dinner on the table by 7pm nightly (which is NOT the case, since Claire was a firm lawyer), and will want to cuddle up and have witty banter with you at the end of the night...like she&#039;s not tired.  If any part of that is missing, then it becomes &quot;you don&#039;t love and respect your man.&quot;

If you want a traditional woman, chances are you will end up with someone who not only wants to stay home and take care of the kids, but wants to spend your money while doing it.  One time for golddiggers!

4. What you are doing by rationalizing your behavior and admitting your amazed that stopped with just one slap is showing your penchant for violence, and how easy it is to rationalize the need for it.  That&#039;s more dangerous than your actual hand raising to a woman- cause that means that is your mindset.

In short, Tyler Perry, and people that think his movies offer some enlightened window on the world, need Jesus when it comes to male-female relationships when it comes to professional black folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;STOP GOING TOE TO TOE WITH MEN AS A MAN WOULD, RESPECT AND LOVE YOUR MEN AND THEY WILL IN RETURN…let me raise a child as my own for several years then find out its some white guys kid!…shit I found the ONE slap admirable…sorry if I sound chauvinistic ladies.&#8221;  &#8211; Fred</p>
<p>Ummm&#8230;several things.</p>
<p>1. I&#8217;ll go &#8220;toe to toe&#8221; with anyone, particularly anyone I don&#8217;t have respect for.  It was clear she did not respect that man- to that end, she should&#8217;ve just left.  </p>
<p>Before we forget, while that man was a nice hardworking man, all he had were HER dollars and a dream.  He stole from her, from an account he didn&#8217;t know about or have access to.  If he wanted to be &#8220;the man,&#8221; then he should have acted like one.</p>
<p>2. There is always a &#8220;driver&#8221; and a &#8220;passenger&#8221; in EVERY relationship. The person who loves less is the driver, and is in control of the pace of the relationship and what happens, and when it happens.  Not only did your girl love less in that movie, but she was the breadwinner.  She was the driver in that situation all day long&#8230;and he tolerated it.  His bad.  Deal with it or walk away, but don&#8217;t deliver backhands on your way out of the door.</p>
<p>3. That &#8220;don&#8217;t go toe to toe&#8221; and &#8220;respect your man&#8221; business sounds like you want a docile creature.  Let me help you with something&#8230;the Cosby show is the exception, not the rule.  That show has men thinking you will find a woman who pulls down 6 figures in a high paying job, have 5 of your kids, have dinner on the table by 7pm nightly (which is NOT the case, since Claire was a firm lawyer), and will want to cuddle up and have witty banter with you at the end of the night&#8230;like she&#8217;s not tired.  If any part of that is missing, then it becomes &#8220;you don&#8217;t love and respect your man.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you want a traditional woman, chances are you will end up with someone who not only wants to stay home and take care of the kids, but wants to spend your money while doing it.  One time for golddiggers!</p>
<p>4. What you are doing by rationalizing your behavior and admitting your amazed that stopped with just one slap is showing your penchant for violence, and how easy it is to rationalize the need for it.  That&#8217;s more dangerous than your actual hand raising to a woman- cause that means that is your mindset.</p>
<p>In short, Tyler Perry, and people that think his movies offer some enlightened window on the world, need Jesus when it comes to male-female relationships when it comes to professional black folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of people on this thread RATIONALIZING violence against women.  As a friendly reminder, that is against the law, and you can and will go to jail behind it.

Furthermore, please educate yourself on a little ole bill called the Violenece Against Women Act (VAWA), sponsored by Joe Biden back in the day.  It&#039;s so important in fact, that it&#039;s part of ConLaw questions on several state bars.

Moral of the story- it&#039;s not in your best interest to rationalize or participate in this type of behavior.  If you&#039;re a &quot;real man,&quot; you&#039;ll just pack your shit and walk away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of people on this thread RATIONALIZING violence against women.  As a friendly reminder, that is against the law, and you can and will go to jail behind it.</p>
<p>Furthermore, please educate yourself on a little ole bill called the Violenece Against Women Act (VAWA), sponsored by Joe Biden back in the day.  It&#8217;s so important in fact, that it&#8217;s part of ConLaw questions on several state bars.</p>
<p>Moral of the story- it&#8217;s not in your best interest to rationalize or participate in this type of behavior.  If you&#8217;re a &#8220;real man,&#8221; you&#8217;ll just pack your shit and walk away.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act</a></p>
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